Showing posts with label Misty Edwards. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Misty Edwards. Show all posts

Wednesday, February 19, 2014

Podcast: CBN and IHOP-KC

In this episode we examine two clips about the International House of Prayer in Kansas City, which were played on the Christian Broadcast Network's 700 Club. Most importantly, we review how IHOP-KC will hide key points to their theology in a more public setting, and ask if CBN is really fully aware of what they believe.



This link sends you to the blog post giving the meeting notes where Bickle tells IHOP staff they are committed to this, and God will judge them for how they act.

This link sends you to the podcast episode covering Misty Edwards and forerunners.

This link sends you to the blog post discussing the Song of Solomon and whether it's literal or allegorical.

Friday, July 5, 2013

Re: Worship That Shakes the World

Recently, Misty Edwards, the International House of Prayer's worship leader, wrote an article for Charisma Magazine on the subject of prayer and music in worship. The full article can be found here. When I read it, I felt compelled to write a response, not so much because of what was said, but because of what wasn't said. That is, Misty Edwards would touch on the subject of prayer and worship music, but not clarify what she meant by it, or what she really meant by it. We need to understand a person's theology not by what we want them to mean, but by how they themselves define what they mean. Someone reading the article might assume from it that IHOP-KC was a theologically sound place, or might think that their beliefs regarding prayer and worship are like any other Christian group. As we go through the article, however, we'll see that's not the case.
Worship and prayer are inseparable. Through worship, we agree with who God is, and through prayer, we agree with what He promised to do. I don’t believe worship can be disconnected from prayer at all. The only thing that makes “worship music” worship is that we’re talking to God; otherwise, it’s just music.

Prayer is a dialogue with the Invisible, and there are many expressions of this conversation. Sometimes it is a contemplative meditation on Scripture. Other times it’s a heartfelt plea for help, a cry for justice or a lament of repentance. Prayer also includes a declaration of who God is and gratitude for what He’s done and will do, as well as a prophetic declaration of what He’s saying today. Intercession, worship, praise and the prophetic are all one seamless flow involved in this holy conversation that we call prayer. When we combine these elements with music, there is a dynamic impact on our hearts—individually and corporately—that affects society at large.
To those unfamiliar with IHOP-KC and its theology, this might all sound well and good. However, just as a Mormon means much more than an orthodox Christian when he says he believes God is the "God of this world," so too does Misty Edwards mean a bit more here. In fact, she fails to mention a couple of things here.

One thing she fails to mention here is what she means by "contemplative meditation on Scripture." While I agree that it's good to meditate over Scripture (that is, ponder what a verse means, study it in depth, etc.), she means something entirely different by it. At IHOP-KC, they teach what amounts to the Roman Catholic doctrine of Lectio Divina, which teaches "praying God's word" in order to receive feedback or a deeper "communion" with God. They likewise teach the monastic (and also pagan) teaching of contemplative prayer, where you attempt to discover the deeper secrets of God by meditating (in a pagan sense) over a verse (I talk about this somewhat here and here).

Another thing she fails to mention is exactly what she, and IHOP-KC, believes prayer can do. That is, they believe that through our prayer we in essence give God permission to act on earth, similar to the beliefs of Word of Faith teacher Myles Munroe; God cannot release great conversions or miracles or powers until we pray for Him to. To quote from Mike Bickle's book Seven Commitments of a Forerunner:
Speaking forth the Word of God back to God is the catalyst for releasing His power. The Father has chosen to govern the earth in partnership with His people through intercession. [pg. 35; Forerunner]
And again:
Today, God requires our intercession to release the fullness of His power and justice on earth. As we speak, or pray, God’s will back to God, the Spirit releases it on the earth. If we do not speak out God’s Word, then the power of the Spirit will not be released in the same measure. God requires holy, persevering, believing prayer to release the fullness of what is in His heart. The fullness of God’s justice will only be released in the context of night and day intercession. [pg. 36; Forerunner]
Another thing she fails to mention is what she means by prayer being "a declaration of who God is and gratitude for what He’s done and will do, as well as a prophetic declaration of what He’s saying today." IHOP-KC believes that through prayer, we actually receive personal revelation of God's intentions for today, especially for the end times. This leads into the rather Gnostic belief held at IHOP-KC that those who engage in heavy prayer (especially if they join the Forerunner movement or something like it) will receive from God "deep secrets of His heart."
Prayer is much more than a spiritual discipline to be performed, or the means by which we find our way out of difficult circumstances...Rather, it is the place of encounter with God where our spirit is energized as we grow in love with Him...As we dialogue with Him in prayer, He reveals glimpses of His personality, giving us revelation of His thoughts and feelings toward us. This is a necessary foundation for all who wish to grow in intimacy with God. [pg. 30-31; Forerunner]
Again, there's far more under the surface here than we may realize.
Often we use these two words—worship and prayer—to mean singing and speaking our conversation with God. I believe there’s a powerful connection between spoken prayers and those that are sung. In Revelation, we see both spoken word and song offered continuously around the throne. We see a harp, signifying music (Rev. 5:8), and a bowl full of the intercession of the saints (vv. 8-9). And we know that if this is the way it is in heaven, it’s also a model for how it ought to be on earth.

Today we see prayer meetings springing up around the world where the intercessors are being carried and sustained by enjoyable prayer (Is. 56:7). One way such prayer becomes enjoyable is through the combination of spoken prayer with prophetic, inspirational music and singing.
It is common for those at IHOP-KC to take the vision in Revelation 5:8 as a literal representation of what it is like in heaven, and while I don't deny that it's probably close, I would likewise ask if they believe there is also a bloodied lamb with seven horns and seven eyes walking around heaven (Rev 5:6).

Also note that she says the bowl in verses 8-9 are the "intercession of the saints" and that it is "full." This is because at IHOP-KC (according to the end-times beliefs of Mike Bickle) they believe the first seal will not be broken until the bowl is full of the intercession of the houses of prayer (a clear teaching that is not clearly taught in the text). To put it another way, God's automobile of judgment needs gas, and praying fuels it up, hence one reason those in this movement are so adamant about prayer. They in essence believe that they are praying Jesus back.

In fact, the forerunner movement gets a silent nod at the end of this section, when Misty Edwards talks of "prayer meetings springing up around the world where the intercessors are being carried and sustained by enjoyable prayers." I talk more about the forerunner movement here, but suffice to say IHOP-KC believes that these prayer meetings (more accurately prayer cultures, as Lou Engle calls them) are being raised by God to bring about His end times plans. In fact, God personally spoke to Mike Bickle and personally told him to help start this movement. Almost everything at IHOP-KC is grounded on personal revelation...one of the traits, by the way, of a cult.
Music originated from God. The human spirit is musical because we are created in His image. There is something mysterious yet simple about song and the connection it has to our emotions, our memory and our ability to focus mind, body, soul and spirit. It is a beautiful gift God has given each of us.

Even if you don’t consider yourself a singer or a musician, you are musical. Paul said that he sang spiritual songs (Eph. 5:19; Col. 3:16). I doubt he was a worship leader, but he was a man of prayer, and he sang in the spirit to God (1 Cor. 14:15).
Note how she says that music has the ability to help us "focus mind, body, soul and spirit." If you listen to the music at IHOP-KC, especially at their special events, one thing you'll notice quickly is that they tend to repeat words a lot and use music in a rather hypnotic way. This is something done in New Age music and some pagan rites, and is simply a manipulative use of music done to help the people get into a kind of spiritual high. Somehow, I don't think this was what Paul was talking about. If you read all of Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16, you'll find that when he spoke of "spiritual songs", he was talking about "psalms and hymns". Psalms and hymns don't do what the music at IHOP-KC does.
In our individual lives, singing our prayers is beneficial in many ways. One way is by giving us the ability to focus at a greater level. When we sing Scripture to God, it has a way of leading us into meditation, due to the repetitive nature of song. It also writes the truth on our hearts in a way the spoken word does not.

For example, if I said, “Twinkle, twinkle, little star,” you would immediately remember the song and likely be able to sing it word for word. But if I said “Ephesians 1:17,” many of us would not know that prayer at all. However, if we put this prayer of the apostle Paul to music, even children would remember it. Add in the spontaneity and development of Scripture a teacher would bring to such a text—yet do it through song—and you would not only remember the text, but you would also understand it.
Note that here, in a way, Misty Edwards confirms what I said before: we can "focus at a greater level" and hence lead us "into meditation, due to the repetitive nature of song." IHOP-KC has their musicians repeat the same lyric over and over and over again so that the listeners can get into a kind of meditative state -however, this form of meditation belongs more in monasteries and false religions than it does in Christianity.

In regards to the second section, while I agree that putting scripture to music (as many hymn writers did) can assist even children in remembering the verse. There's nothing wrong with that. However, I've rarely seen it happen at IHOP-KC in such a way that one would "understand it." Usually what might happen at IHOP-KC is someone would take Ephesians 1:17, repeat it a few times, then focus in on one thing and say something like "Give us the wisdom and revelation!", and repeat that over and over again. One time, while I was personally visiting the prayer room, I was listening to the music and realized that they had taken a well known hymn (I forget which one) and just repeating the first verse over and over and over again. That's hardly edifying to anyone.

As I've said before, it seems like those at IHOP-KC's prayer team believe that Christ said "do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words", they believed it was a friendly suggestion.
In our corporate life, singing prayers has a dynamic impact too. Through song, we are able to become one voice and one heart as we sing the same thing to the same Man at the same time. Through song, we can also feel the same thing at the same time while either declaring the truth or interceding for a breakthrough. 
Again, do you see the subtle hint at IHOP-KC doctrine here? When she says "interceding for a breakthrough," she means praying to God to grant Him the ability to perform something.
Song is a powerful tool to unify the body of Christ. Whenever you have the combination of spoken prayer and singing, an entire room or a whole stadium of people can come into agreement with what is being prayed through simple songs that make us one voice. I believe this unified intercession and worship is one thing that changes the spiritual atmosphere of a city or a region. 
Once again, a subtle reference to IHOP-KC's doctrine. When she says "unified intercession and worship" can change "the spiritual atmosphere of a city or a region",  she's saying that when we pray, we release "spiritual energy" (as Lou Engle called it) into the atmosphere, to combat demonic forces. If you listen to Lou Engle talk about the house of prayer movement, you'll hear him talk about Christian houses of prayer are literally in direct spiritual warfare with non-Christian houses of prayer, because according to this doctrine mosques and synagogues and other non-Christian places of worship are blasting energy into the atmosphere. The house of prayer movement believes that when we pray, we combat that spiritual energy, and hence break it away and help bring revival to a city.
You don’t have to add music to the conversation—prayer—you’re holding with God, but music combined with prayer opens our hearts, writes truth on our minds, changes the atmosphere and facilitates sustainable, enjoyable corporate prayer that leads to a unified heart with one another and with God.
As I said earlier, all this sounds good, and perhaps if it was someone else writing this, I would give a hearty "Amen!" But we need to realize something: theology matters.

Wednesday, June 12, 2013

Podcast: IHOP-KC and Forerunners

The following is my latest podcast, reviewing a message by IHOP-KC worship leader Misty Edwards on the Forerunner movement.


The discussion I had with an IHOP-KC member, regarding Forerunners, can be found on this page.

Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Prayer and Prophetic Conference Tweets

Recently, the International House of Prayer had a Prayer and Prophetic Conference in their home territory of Kansas City. I watched the events in Thursday evening and, feeling inspired, decided to tweet my responses as things went along. I ended up tweeting a lot during the three days that the event unfolded. It was a good experience, and though I won't claim I "shook the heavens," I did get in some brief conversations with some people who work at IHOP-KC, as well as some people who had either left IHOP-KC or lost friends over IHOP-KC.

I thought for fun, I would share the tweets I made those days. The schedule can be found here.

October 11

NOTE: The following were in response to filler videos they were webstreaming before the conference events. They were a combination of interviews with Mike Bickle, round-table discussions held with members of IHOP-KC's staff, and interviews with individual leaders within IHOP-KC.

4:29 PM - Everyone in the New Testament spoke in tongues? So Paul was lying in 1 Cor 12:30? #IHOPKC

4:39 PM - "If it's not written in the Bible, I don't care." #mikebickle #ihopkc Then as John Owen once noted, why bother with revelation and prophecy?

4:58 PM - Why do Dominionists use "seven mountains"? Do they understand that has negative connotations in scripture? (Rev 17:9) #dominionism

5:00 PM - "Who knows when the Lord's returning..." #mikebickle You've openly said it'll happen within the next generation or the next several decades.

5:08 PM - "The Lord spoke to me and said..." Well then write it down and put it after Revelation, we have a new book of scripture. #ihopkc

5:14 PM - "Christ wants the church united." #mistyedwards I'm sorry, but Rom 16:17 forbids me from uniting with #ihopkc

5:18 PM - I can't help but feel, as I watch video after video, that one can basically idolize the prayer room. #ihopkc

NOTE: The following were tweeted while I was watching the Worship part of the day's events.

7:27 PM - There's an "Anna Anointing"? I don't recall Luke writing about that. #ThingsNotInTheBible #mikebickle #ihopkc

7:32 PM - "Sometimes Isaiah hides from me..." #mikebickle #PrayerProphetic He doesn't want his words misused.

7:36 PM - Isaiah 58:10 is about the prophetic ministry? That's incredible eisegesis. Isaiah is calling for repentance #mikebickle #PrayerProphetic

7:40 PM - Why does #ihopkc keep acting as if they're the new Temple? Do they know what happened to the LAST two...?

8:08 PM - How many times can one repeat a lyric? #PrayerProphetic

NOTE: At this point, the worship music stopped and we began to hear of a "prophecy" from Julie Meyer, namely a dream saying how God was blessing IHOP-KC. 

8:10 PM - Now we have someone talking about their dreams, which supposedly came from God. Jeremiah 23:28, any one? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:13 PM - "You shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams...God is testing you" (Deu 13:3) #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:16 PM - "They have seen false visions and lying divinations...the LORD has not sent them" (Eze 13:6) #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:19 PM - Should we welcome all "prophecies" of good things to come for our ventures? 1 Kings 22:19-23 says otherwise. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

NOTE: The following was tweeted during Session 2, done by Allen Hood.

8:28 PM - At the beginning of this sermon, we already have eisegesis into Song of Songs 1:3-4. #PrayProphetic #ihopkc

8:32 PM - We're doing some serious verse jumping. I've lost my place. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:37 PM - Did we just get Eph 3:16 turned into quid quo pro? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

9:53 PM - I'm sure when Christ warned about "many words" in prayer (Mt 6:7), he also meant repeating a lyric fifty times #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

October 12

2:34 PM - There is a thin line between concert and worship. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

2:41 PM - They just plugged "Growing in the Prophetic." I highly suggest it for eisegesis lessons. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

2:42 PM - David Brainerd is rolling over in his grave. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

NOTE: They had just mentioned Jonathan Edwards's book on David Brainerd.

2:43 PM - They just mentioned Jonathan Edwards. Now I'm rolling over in my grave, and I'm not dead. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

2:43 PM - Now a "7 Commitments of a Forerunner" plug - Also a book that's a fine example of eisegesis. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

NOTE: The following tweets were in response to Session 4, given by Brian Kim.

2:51 PM - Isaiah 42 is about what God is doing in #ihopkc ? Does Isaiah know that? #PrayerProphetic

2:51 PM - "That's kinda crazy!" Yeah it is. #briankim #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

NOTE: I forget the exact context of the previous tweet, but I'm guess it had something to do with IHOP-KC's warped eschatology.

2:55 PM - "Worldwide intercession movement" - Where is that in scripture? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

NOTE: I actually received a response to this from "danielprays," which I found out was the Twitter account of Daniel Lim, CEO of the International House of Prayer and someone I've reviewed on this blog before. He pointed me towards Malachi 1:11, Luke 18:1-8, and 1 Thessalonians 5:17. I pointed out that Malachi 1:11 was about the Gentiles (as often "nations" means in the Old Testament) coming into the fold, causing the Jews Malachi was speaking with to become jealous (hence the "for" at the start of the verse). I pointed out that Luke 18:1-8 was about why we should "pray and not lose heart," as v. 1 says plainly, not about a worldwide intercession movement. I pointed out that 1 The 5:17 was simply telling us to pray without ceasing, not speaking about any specific movement. Obviously I didn't say all this in so many words given the limitation of Twitter, but it was the gist of what I said. Since then, the tweets sent to me by Daniel Lim have disappeared. I didn't delete them and I haven't blocked him - I don't know if he deleted them, or Twitter went buggy. Either way, when you go to my Twitter account and go to this date, you'll see me talking to him, but without any of his original tweets.

2:57 PM - We've established the existence of our theology before looking at scripture. That can be a very dangerous thing. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

3:02 PM - "Get ready to sing"-that's not in Isa 42:10-13. It's talking about what we should do now, even during Isaiah's life #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

3:04 PM - Col 3:16 does not say we teach one another by songs. It says we teach AND sing. Separate things. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

3:15 PM - "You who go down to the sea, and all that fills it, the coastlands and their inhabitants"-How is this islands? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

NOTE: In fairness, the Hebrew word used here for "coastlands" can mean "islands." My main contention was towards the application of this verse to the specific work of IHOP-KC, as if Isaiah was predicting that. Isaiah, in the full context of the verse, is actually talking about merchants on the coasts of ancient Israel, who would sail to places like Malta, Cyprus, Crete, etc. It isn't about IHOP-KC missionaries going to Pacific islands.

3:16 PM - "My mentor Lou Engle..." Well there's your first problem! #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

3:18 PM - OK, no really, how is Isa 42:10-12 about #ihopkc missionaries? #PrayerProphetic

NOTE: The following are in response to filler videos again.

4:08 PM - I don't doubt people in need are being helped, and while that's good...at what cost? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

4:19 PM - I've got it - #ihopkc eschatology is essentially impatient postmillennialism.

4:49 PM - "Jesus...probably will return in my lifetime." Didn't he say no one knows the day or the hour? (Mk 13:32) #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

NOTE: The following tweets are in response to the musical performance.

6:09 PM - What do Wayne Newton, Ray Charles, and the Prayer Room have in common? Three young female backup singers. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

6:15 PM - Writing worship songs seems so easy. I don't know why Charles Wesley spent so much time writing so many lyrics. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

6:28 PM - When we sing, are we looking for a "spiritual high," or for edification? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

6:52 PM - I feel sad for the worship singers. They look incredibly exhausted. I pray they are freed from this yoke. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

NOTE: At this point the band was starting to ease out the music, and they started praying for healing miracles.

6:59 PM - Now we're cold calling. Peter Popoff would be proud. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

7:03 PM - I don't know why Paul told Timothy to have wine for his ailments (1 Tim 5:23) - just go to a conference. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

7:11 PM - "One time Jesus didn't heal instantaneously." There was a purpose for that. Don't try to cover your poor theology. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

7:17 PM - I have a healing to report. I had a paper cut earlier, and it hurt, but now it's not there. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

7:25 PM - "I put my hand over my eye and claimed it." Some form of name it and claim it theology just confirmed. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

7:30 PM - Why is it at these faith healings, it's always conditions you can't readily see or notice? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

7:33 PM - Even if signs, wonders and healings are done, is that enough to accept it all? No - theology matters. (Deu 13:1-3) #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

NOTE: Here they started warming up into Session 5, given by Mike Bickle regarding the Lord's Prayer.

7:53 PM - If the Lord is directly moving #ihopkc then those who oppose them are opposing God. #PrayerProphetic

7:56 PM - The first Temple was destroyed by the Babylonians; the second Temple was obliterated by the Romans. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:06 PM - Isa 62:6 has generally been understood as generally ministers of the Gospel, not specifically "intercessors" #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:09 PM - Wait, did Isa 62:6 just become used to ask for donations? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

NOTE: For those who are curious about the context in the previous tweet, this is what happened. Isaiah 62:6 was cited, and the part regarding the watchmen on the walls was emphasized. During the prayer before the collection plates were passed around, the IHOP-KC official basically asked God to "raise up watchmen" to answer the needs of the ministry. In other words, if you want to be a watchman like God wants, you better donate.

8:27 PM - Just a thought - what would have happened if Mike Bickle backed up his text to Mt 6:7? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:55 PM - Ah, here's our first plug for the house of prayer movement. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

9:03 PM - Rev 2:1-5 says Ephesus was heavily missionary but didn't pray enough? Where is that in the verses? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

9:04 PM - "Why does God want to talk to me?" #mikebickle Given the abuse of scripture, it can't be God talking to you. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

9:10 PM - Where exactly does the Lord's Prayer say God's will being done and kingdom coming are dependent upon us? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

9:23 PM - I see people walking forward, and part of me desires to see people walking out. #PrayerProphetic ihopkc

9:24 PM - Cue manipulative use of music. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

9:30 PM - I am praying, though for different reasons. But it is also for all those in that room right now. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

October 13

NOTE: Here I came in during Misty Edwards's lecture for Session 4. My fiance was actually watching with me for this session.

2:44 PM - Somewhere in the Middle East, Isaiah is rolling over in his grave. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

2:46 PM - Listening to #mistyedwards speaks, I can't help but think about 1 Ti 2:12 and 1 Co 14:34 #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

2:51 PM - Can't go far in an #ihopkc sermon without the Book of Revelation being mentioned. #PrayerProphetic

2:55 PM - I'm hearing a lot of bold eschatology and very little scriptural exposition. This isn't instruction and edification #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

3:09 PM - Funny thing about the tribulation, John said he was a "partner in the tribulation" (Re 1:9) It's existed a while #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

3:12 PM - I can't help but feel many times eschatology supersedes soteriology. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

3:23 PM - My fiance on this lecture: "I have no idea what she's talking about." #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

3:26 PM - We're not expositing God's word, we're expositing someone's dream. Jer 23:28 #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

3:37 PM - Baptize their hearts, O Lord, for them to see the true "crisis of truth" among them. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

NOTE: Here I began tweeting during the worship music.

6:04 PM - Surely there are other lyrics to this song. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

6:05 PM - Tonight's topic: "What the Spirit is Saying about the Church" - the Spirit has already spoken in scripture. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

6:13 PM - Tonight Mike Bickle is going to touch on Acts 2. I wrote on his misunderstanding of it http://bit.ly/SOiv9w  #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

6:14 PM - To summarize the last tweet: read the context and history - it's about Pentecost and Jerusalem destroyed by Romans. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

6:38 PM - Screaming for God to do something while singing nonstop - didn't the Priests of Baal do that? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

6:41 PM - OK, I'm serious - is this singing or chanting? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

6:47 PM - This is neither Christian singing nor worship. This is New Age inspired, meditation, repetitive nonsense. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

6:49 PM - If you want to "know what God's thinking" and "don't know," you're in luck - God put it in His writ, it's all here. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

6:52 PM - "God is raising up sons of thunder" - Wasn't that meant as a semi-insult against John? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

NOTE: I actually corrected myself here. The idea that the "sons of thunder" title may have been an insult was from their suggestion that fire be rained down on a Samaritan village that rejected Jesus (Luke 9:54), however most commentators believe it to be in reference to their zeal in preaching.

6:57 PM - Work up the crowd by music, then speak to them with messages. This is like a political rally. Emotion-driven #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

7:03 PM - Some of this singing reminds me of Dr. Moreau. "That is the Law, are we not men? That is the Law, are we not men?" #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

7:05 PM - I should take my Bible and sing, "I am reading, reading. I am reading, reading. I am reading, reading..." #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

7:07 PM - Ah, the cold calling healing. Here we go... #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

7:09 PM - Is Vangelis the worship leader? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

7:14 PM - "Excuse me - what does God need with a musical kick?" #williamshatner #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

7:22 PM - Surely they're baptized already. Are we Anabaptists? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

7:26 PM - "A revelation of the zeal of your love." He already showed you. It's called the cross. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

7:29 PM - We're hearing a testimony of what Jesus has done through #ihopkc . Usually testimonies are about what Jesus did alone. #PrayerProphetic

7:31 PM - "What better way to know God than a 24/7 prayer place?" How about the grace of the Spirit? The power of the word? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

7:34 PM - "If Jesus is real, this is what Christianity should look like." Upon what basis? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

7:36 PM - Testimony similarities: no real faith before; they desired "more"; #ihopkc solved all their problems #PrayerProphetic

7:47 PM - "The Lord is putting on our hearts..." in olden times, that was called scripture. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

7:48 PM - Leaving the prayer room webcast on is a blessing? That's borderline idolatry. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

7:52 PM - Having the relic of a saint is a blessing. Having the prayer room playing is a blessing. How is either different? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

7:53 PM - "Supernaturally provide" - ie., don't worry, give as much as possible, God will foot the bill. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

NOTE: The following are the tweets during the final session, Session 8, done by Mike Bickle.

8:02 PM - "What is the Spirit saying to/about the church?" Read the Bible. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:05 PM - Why is Isa 60:2 about the end times? One could say it was fulfilled in Mt 4:13-16. Plus there's no "deep darkness." #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:05 PM - I posted this earlier, but again - examining Bickle's misuse of Joel 2/Acts 2 http://bit.ly/SOiv9w  #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:07 PM - "We do not honor a dream or vision that doesn't honor the written word of God." That is false. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:07 PM - "No one knows that day or hour, but we're in that generation." Ah, semantics. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:12 PM - #mikebickle warning us about false religions is a bit like Stalin warning us about Hitler. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:13 PM - "The Lord visited me in Cairo..." - RUN. RUN RUN RUN. RUN AWAY. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:17 PM - How does one know the difference between fake and fluff declarations of what God has said? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:19 PM - "I'm going to change Christianity." That's what God told Joseph Smith initially, too... #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:21 PM - Did God not have the foreknowledge to know about the future lawsuits from the already trademarked IHOP? #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:25 PM - Eph 5:27 is about our glorification by God's justification and purification, not an end-time state. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:29 PM - Mal 4:5-6 is about John the Baptist, not us or something we have to do (Mt 17:12; Mk 9:13) #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:30 PM - "We don't know what 'generation' means." Sure, if you ignore the context the readers understood it as. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:32 PM - The "great and dreadful day of the Lord" is the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:40 PM - #mikebickle misuses 1 Co 12:31. Paul is talking about those with the gifts of prophecy, not everyone #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc #context

8:51 PM - Acts 3 is not on Israel restored. It's calling the listeners to repent. Not all from Abraham are of him (Rom 9:7) #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:55 PM - Some truth is being presented. A pity it is being done so in the midst of so much error. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

8:58 PM - Regarding Bickle's notes: Jer 23:20 is not about forerunners, but the Babylonian invasion and warnings clear then. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

9:02 PM - I do pray now - that those in it may see the error and flee, casting off their yoke. Amen, amen. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

9:02 PM - Such manipulative use of music. This truly does make me sad. Help them see through it, Lord. #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc

9:04 PM - Do not pray for dreams or visions, Christian - simply pray for sanctification, and thank God for your justification #PrayerProphetic #ihopkc